I posted this on the War Thunder forums as well so you can check that out if you want, but I believe that it is a genuine topic worth discussing here.
What are 'buy order bots'?
They are bots that automatically create buy orders 1 cent higher than the highest buy order, up to a certain dollar amount, for a particular item. If their previous buy order has been 'outbid', they will cancel it and make a new one 1 cent higher than the buy order that 'outbid' them in the first place. Think of it as the Ebay auction autobidder, where the system automatically places bids for you if you get outbid up to your desired price.
What issues does this cause?
Have you ever wanted to buy or maybe even sell something on the Gaijin Marketplace, and noticed that not long after placing a buy order for an item of your choice, you realize that someone has created
a new buy order for exactly 1 cent higher(or lower if selling) than yours? I'm sure you all can see how this is a problem, it means that they will be able to buy that item first instead of YOU as they have in a sense 'outbid' you by 1 cent. Imagine you want to buy item A that doesn't come up for sale very often on the Marketplace for $150. You place a buy order and you happily sit back and wait for a seller to fulfill it. 1 minute, some guy gets his bot to make a new buy order of $150.01. Then not long after that, a seller sees 2 buy orders for $150 and $150.01 and he decides to sell it, for $150.01. Now when you see this, obviously you would be frustruated. Item A doesn't come up very often on the Market, and the next time someone might choose to sell it, it might be 2,3,4 months later. Is all this waiting worth 1 cent? NO!
The other buyer obviously has an unfair advantage, and it ruins the experience for other frequent users of the Market
Using automated software on the Market is against Gaijin's TOS
You agree that you will not, under any circumstances: d. Use cheats, exploits, automation software, bots, hacks, mods or any unauthorized third party software designed to modify or interfere with the Service or any Gaijin game experience; e. Use the Service in order to design or assist in the design of cheats, automation software, bots, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third party software designed to modify or interfere with the Service or any Gaijin game experience
How do I know that there are bots on the Market?
- For many items, no matter the time of day or item, if you manually place a buy order higher than the highest buy order by a small amount, within minutes or even seconds someone will create a new buy order for exactly 1 cent higher.
- I have tried an experiment where I spent some time 'tricking' the bots with repeatedly by placing a buy order, refreshing the page until the bot cancels it's previous buy order (which was lower than the one I just created), then immediately place a new buy order 2 cents higher than my first one to see if the bot will fall for it and instead create a new buy order for 3 cents higher rather than 1 cent higher like it originally would. Guess what? It falls for it everytime.
- They. never. stop. The bots will keep placing 1 cent higher buy orders for tens, hundreds of times if you choose to manually place buy orders that are higher than theirs by 1 cent. No human would waste their time like that. If you're really curious, or just have much time on your hands, go try it on a particular item you like on the Market. See how many times the bot will create new buy orders if you also create new ones on your end.
You can watch my experiment the bot in action here:
If you don't understand my experiment think about it this way:
-I place a buy order for item A for $1. The previous buy order was $0.99.
-Bot sees this, cancels $0.99 buy order and prepares to creates new $1.01 buy order.
-At the exact moment before bot can create $1.01 buy order, I use my speed to cancel my $1 buy order and create a $1.02 buy order.
-Now the bot wasn't fast enough and it's new buy order of $1.01 is invalid because of my new $1.02 buy order.
-Bot sees this and cancels $1.01 buy order and prepares to create $1.03 buy order.
-At the exact moment before bot can create $1.03 buy order, I use my speed to cancel my $1.02 buy order and create a $1.04 buy order.
-Now the bot wasn't fast enough and it's new buy order of $1.03 is invalid because of my new $1.04 buy order.
-Bot sees this and cancels $1.03 buy order and prepares to create $1.05 buy order.
-At the exact moment before bot can create $1.05 buy order, I use my speed to cancel my $1.04 buy order and create a $1.06 buy order.
-Now the bot wasn't fast enough and it's new buy order of $1.05 is invalid because of my new $1.06 buy order.
-and so on and so forth
You see if the bot was a real person, they wouldn't be an idiot and know that they can't just make a new buy order 1 cent higher because they would be beat. They would instead try to outsmart me and place a buy order 3 cents higher rather than 1 because placing it just 1 cent higher would be insufficient, as the moment they confirm the buy order it would already be 'outbid' by me.
What should be done?
Obviously I'm sure, just not how, that there's a way to detect users who abuse the Market throught the use of bots. There needs to be some kind of intervention by Gaijin that outright bans these users. Apart from that, I don't want to punish people for creating 1 cent higher buy orders, minimum bid increment is a real thing and some buy orders might have been created by legitimate users who just want to buy some War Thunder items.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Ideas?
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