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Jovian Concord – Ropalolyst – Some details I noticed while fighting the boss and listening to spacelady

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I will start this post with the following Orokin text (that was translated so nicely in the forums):

Void Link Severed

Reason foreign carrier detected. Origin unknown. Suspect tracking signal.

Reinitiating dipolar connection on naval carrier.

Bow in standby for sync check and sync.

Motion compensation complete.

Selenic lensing locked.

Somatic control established.

Margulis implantation intact.

EVM (Eye, Vocal, Movement) status nominal.

War platform awaiting sync.

Initializing Synaptic overlay… Good night, sweet angel.

For the sake of brevity, I will use a numbered list:

  1. During the beginning of The Sacrifice, the whisperer that lulls us into touching the helmet was called (in the subtitles) "Lotus". But in the Ropalolyst map, the person who intrudes our hud (being so big, differentiating it with "transmissions") was called "Natah". Is the distinction a "continuity feature" (we follow the naming by how the Operator sees things), or "something else"?

  2. While fighting (and even outside of the boss area) in the Ropalolyst node, Natah alludes to "know" of "A Voice. A Void, lurking inside you, its purpose not yet shown", and that she "has heard of the Voice behind the wall". If this "Voice" of the "Void" is "The Man in The Wall", then The Lotus deliberately lied to us during the Chains of Harrow quest that it's all "a consequence of Void exposure", "there's nothing in there", and "there's no man in the wall". But point 1 would react to this: "Natah" probably knew, but "The Lotus" didn't, and since the Mimic needs to "act like her, like how the Tenno saw her in their collective dream", she skipped the info out of her persona, just like Margulis did (see The War Within quest for how Margulis attempted to eradicate the existence of the Long Dream, attempting to commit all Tenno to believe we are Warframes all along).

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  3. The above text: Based on the information in there, it seems as if something was rebooted or restarted. At first glance, it seems as if this is us reinstating our connection to our warframes. But why "Margulis implantation intact"? We do have selective amnesia, but not to the level where we do not remember who Margulis is, I believe. Who is being talked about in this message? Is it us Tenno, or is it… "someone else"?

  4. The second dream depicted "The Lotus", with all the cables and all, as "not tethered into a chair". Who was the one we faced that day when we wake in the Transference Room? I am now doubting if that one's The Lotus, or is it someone else posing as Lotus (as we have dreamed of our mother figure)?

  5. In The Silver Grove quest, Silvanas charters her experience of non-Tenno transference, feeling "A tortured presence, like an evil ink, staining my mind". Since we know as Tenno of The Indifference, and "Natah" knew, and Silvanas knew, and even Corrupted Vor seems to understand (as he continuously says in his monologue as the "secrets of the Void"), could we presume that the "child's mind being immune to the effects of the Void" is an utter joke, and we actually survived only because of The Man in the Wall (from Shadow message in The War Within: "Remember, you are nothing without me.")

Thoughts?

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    Avi Leidner
    Feb 14, 2020 6:14 am

    Starting from 1. (then just letting enumeration slide).

    The distinction is JUST THAT. It is the Sentient, Natah, that is Transmitting. (But how can a Sentient Transmission be received by a Tenno or Warframe? How could it find a channel and carrier that makes for clear access? Simple. She/It is linked in to the Alad V comm channels directly, used throughout his Gas City chunk of the Corpus Pie. Ordis takes over as much direct communication as possible in the Re-Worked Gas City, and maintains a minimal synthesis of Lotus Transmissions. Ordis is a major Relay for transmissions from other entities. Having no “body” to speak of (goes with the trade-offs of being a Cephalon), all Ordis communication is a Transmitted Self Image.

    So when around Conduits in Disruption Missions, The Lotus is silent. Conduits are feeding data to The Sentient. (Over-Eager) Alad GAVE the Sentient access to the whole “Corpus Net,” by dangling the most valuable, enticing Corpus “IP” (“SysCom) as an offering to cut a partnership deal with … oops … a MIMIC.

    Fortunately, the Sentient can not comprehend “Substance Dualism.” It can not conceive of the Psyche (mind, soul) that is the Identity of The Lotus, as being not in the Body (brain, “shell”) that was a reproduction of Margulis. And neither could Ballas for that matter. Neither The Sentient nor Ballas have any idea that all he brought back was a Margulis Zombie with leftover “wetwiring” and traces of the Natah Identity.

    Ballis, reinvented as a “Chimera,” believes that The Lotus does not exist, and NEVER DID. So does The Sentient. (The) Sentients, plural, are all extensions of The Sentient.

    “I killed him…”

    Who did the Operator kill?

    Ballas.

    (As) everyone screams, Isaah, not Ballas!
    The line reads, “I killed him … Isaah.”
    It’s not “I killed him … Ballas.”
    Fine.
    Who did The Operator “kill?”
    Well, Ballas, yeah, but that’s not …
    No “BUTS.”
    That IS what occurred.
    “Feeling better now, Kiddo?”
    (Ballas) had done a major head-screw with Umbra, inducing his body to kill his son, Isaah, as his will had no control.
    It may well have begun as a quest to find The Lotus, but going back to the “Scene Of The Crime” was dominated by a goal of one certain outcome. “Get Ballas.”
    He is SO dead!
    This is his comeuppance for everything he’s done,
    for every person he’s done in,
    for … Isaah.

    “I killed him …” [the operators mouth does not move after that] … Isaah [is] not spoken aloud, it’s a cinematic device of ‘hearing a thought,’ making Isaah not the subject referred to, but the spirit, presence, living memory, etc. ‘whom’ that memory is being ‘sent out’ to.

    “Is that how you remember it?”

    “Yes.”

    “Good.”

    What? Why is that “good?”

    Easy. It’s done. That has been put to rest. It has been resolved.

    What The Sentient has made from Ballas, is something and someone different, that has to be dealt with on a whole new and different set of terms and assumptions.

    A dead-wrong assumption would be “Ballas Lives.”
    The “bad” assumption would be, “I didn’t kill Ballas after all. He was saved, and vendetta, justice, or vengance, has not been served. It still has to be pursued.
    No.
    “I killed him.”
    Time to pay attention to what is being said, heard, and experienced, very carefully.
    Something heavy is going down, and every possible guide beyond the limits of knowledge is operating to make it possible for me to navigate this crazy mazework for reconnaissance.
    I’m hearing The Lotus whispering, ‘IN MY MIND’ to guide me (the Operator) to, and then INTO and THROUGH the Lotus’ Head Piece/Helmet, for all intents & purposes, “Mindjacking” all the way through into a psychic ghost presence within The Sentient ITSELF.

    Inside of Mother, Natah, The Sentient.

    “The Lotus” is the “voice in my mind,” that whispers “Tenno … Tenno …” Then that is the most reliable source of Intel.

    “Natah” as a Sentient extension of “Mother,” (THE SENTIENT) Transmits near-incoherent, obviously deranged self-narrative (verging on “word salad”), all through a mission where even ORDIS is not making his presence known, I’m gonna make damned sure to record every word. I’m not gonna be trying to decipher “reason” out of an expository narrative that BEGINS from seemingly metaphorical premises, which seem like they could, just as easily be intended as literal, as a prelude to establishing a fundamental question of existentialism, “But what am I?”

    If Natah, The Sentient, does not have even a strong set of premises for beginning that inquery, (much less a certainty in conviction, which, if anything, was a central characteristic of The Lotus), then Natah is NOT The Lotus, and has a “head full of bad wiring.” She has no certainty in anything that she’s trying to convince herself of “knowing,” and is ultimately breaking down to forging belief into knowledge by arbitrary DENIAL of anything that doesn’t fit into how she wants things to be.

    It makes for a reliable source of intel, concerning how much The Sentient actually does not know, and what it belives out of ignorance, (wrong, or “false knowledge”).

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