Hey everyone! Today, I thought it would be fun to take a break from tank proposals and talk a bit about the historicity of tanks in this game. I am trying to make this list comprehensive, but I am sure I will miss a few vehicles. Feel free to correct any mistakes you see!
Contrary to popular opinion, the vast majority of vehicles in this game are historical. Some were only prototypes, and quite a few never made it past the drawing board, but nonetheless they are historical designs. However, there are a few vehicles that are not so well-based, ranging from significant alterations that barely resemble their starting point, to outright works of fiction.
Harkonnen already posted an
For each vehicle, I’ll try to detail exactly what aspects of it are fictional. I’ll be including tanks that are only partially fictional, because there aren’t a ton of outright fakes. Also, I will include a couple of historical vehicles that have relevant bits of information. There are quite a few vehicles that I simply don't have information on; rather than risk being wrong and calling them "fake", I just won't say anything about them. For all I know, they're real and I just haven't happened to stumble across the source material.
I went over the Chinese TDs in detail already, but to summarize, the tier 3 is possibly real and the tier 4 is real. I’ve seen some sketches of the higher tiers, but I have no clue where they come from or if they’re historically accurate. Suffice to say, these is very little information on these vehicles publicly available, and it is fair to doubt that many of these existed at all. The rest of the nation has some issues as well.
NC-31 – Never used by China
This is an early prototype of the Char D1, and a real vehicle at that, but there is no record that China ever received any version of the Char D1, let alone this specific early production model.
Type T-34 – Fictional
A bit surprising, but yes, this tank is completely fake, in the sense that China never had these vehicles. China received many T-34s, some of which were converted to the Type 58, but according to this article, China only ever received T-34-85s, not T-34s with the 76mm. This is based on shipping records from both Russia and China. The only regular T-34s to be sold to an Asian country were sold to North Korea, not China.
WZ-132A – Either mislabeled or fictional
I won’t list every vehicle with a weird name as I don’t know enough about the vehicles to catch every mistake, and in many cases, there is disagreement among historians. However, this vehicle is at least misnamed, according to here and here. The visual model is from the “132”, an intermediate 1960 prototype for the Type 62, which is not to be confused with the WZ-132. Additionally, this seems to have characteristics of the WZ-131A. There are two possibilities here:
- WG intentionally changed the name, so players wouldn’t be confused
- They combined the WZ-132 with this project, in a similar fashion to the Jagdpanther II
I strongly suspect it’s the former.
WZ-132-1 – Fictional
This is likely inspired by the Type 62G, a real conversion of the Type 62 (aka WZ-131) to give it a 105mm gun. Again, though, this was a modification of the WZ-131, NOT the WZ-132, and a very late one at that. The external turret stowage racks appear to have first showed up in the earlier WZ-131A, aka the Type 62-I.
This article explains it better than I can. There is no evidence that a M48A3 Patton turret was ever paired with the Type 59 hull. It was likely inspired by a prototype Merkava M48, which is visually similar.
This nation is historical, with one exception:
Škoda T 50 – Wrong visual model
The visual model that we have in game appears to be a scaled-up version of the Škoda T-7 light tank. The actual Škoda T-50 (
source) looked a lot more like the TVP VTU we have in-game.
This nation has a few issues with its heavy tanks.
AMX 50 120 – Wrong armor and visual model
This vehicle is a mess. The wiki says it best:
The current AMX 50 120 is a hybrid between three different AMX designs – it uses a turret based on the first AMX 50 120, the hull and flanks of the seventy-ton AMX 50 120, and the nose, engine, and suspension of the AMX 65t.
Additionally, the armor seems to be thinner than it was in real life.
AMX M4 51 – Unhistorical top turret
This vehicle never would have equipped the TCB-120 turret, as it was designed for the AMX 50 project, years after the AMX M4 project had ended.
AMX M4 54 – Many fictional aspects
Info from the WoT wiki. As with the M4 51, the top turret was never considered for any AMX M4 design. The frontal hull armor is thinner than the real-life proposal. The 130mm gun is a naval gun, and although many naval guns were historically converted into tank guns, there is no evidence that this particular gun was considered. Lastly, the name is fake, as by 1954, the AMX M4 project had long evolved into the AMX 50 project.
Bat.-Châtillon 12 t – Largely fictional
Again quoting the WoT wiki. The hull is completely different from the historical hull, and to my knowledge, no version of it (paper or physical prototype) equipped a real turret.
Two of the most problematic premium tanks in the game, and they both share the same issue: they are German conversions of French vehicles. To my knowledge, the French never used these modified vehicles.
Germany had a ton of tank development, but some records have been lost to time, and in other cases history just wasn't convenient and didn't yield enough vehicles for a full tech tree.
Inspired by the design of the G.W. Tiger, which was a
G.W. E 100 – Fictional
Although there were a variety of proposals for the E 100 platform, some of which would’ve equipped an artillery-class gun, this particular design is definite a work of fiction. However, it’s not WG’s own creation – it’s based on a
model that someone else made.
Jagdpanther II – Fictional combination of two real projects
This vehicle is based on
this design, which was based on the Panther. WG decided to alter it to be based on the
Panther II, which isn’t the most reasonable thing to do since that tank was cancelled over a year before this design was made.
Jagdpanzer E 100 – Based on historical designs
I do know that an E-100 project equipping up to a 17cm gun was considered, and that it was decided early on that it would be a casemate vehicle. I don’t know exactly where this design comes from – it appears to be cobbled together from various details of the E 100 project and other contemporary designs. No single blueprint has survived, so WG had to fill in the gaps. The exact vehicle we have in the game is a WG design, but it closely resembles what German engineers would’ve considered or ultimately developed. More info.
Also, it may be more historical to call this the “StuG E 100”.
VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. B – Many nonhistorical aspects
This tank is a mess, but understandably so – a historically configured version fits better at tier 7. It never equipped the E 75 turret, nor was that ever considered. I’m pretty sure the 12.8cm gun doesn’t fit in the E 75 turret. The hull armor is similarly crazy – the frontal hull is 200mm instead of 80mm, and the sides are 120mm instead of 80mm. I will give WG a pass on this one, as it used to have its historical armor and it was absolutely terrible.
These designs are real, as they’re based on the VK 72 project. However, the particular configurations of these vehicles, in terms of armor and weaponry, do not appear to be historical. Yuri Pasholok insists article that they are justified, but Frank Davis (aka Silentstalker) insists just as firmly that they are not. No evidence has been made public of any Panzer VII designs being of this weight, armor, armament, and configuration (only the configuration is historic), so until new evidence emerges, I’m inclined to agree with Silentstalker on this one.
E 50 Ausf. M – Based on historical designs
This one is pretty well-known, but I’ll still mention it. The concept of a rear-transmission version of the E 50 is historical, but this particular design is made by WG. I consider this to be a “historical fake”, in the same vein as the Jagdpanzer E 100.
I’m not going anywhere near these tanks. I don’t even know where to begin on finding info on these.
Again, I’m not going to get into this nation.
The light/medium line is completely historical, as are the low-tier heavies. I do know that for sure.
The problem is with the O-I tanks and the top tiers – there is a lot of conflicting information, and there’s a lot of info that’s still not publicly known. I’ve found references to the designs of each of these vehicles, but can’t confirm their accuracy in any meaningful way. The only certain evidence I have is that the
turret of either the Type 4 or 5 was used as a bunker. Most of the heavies are historical, I just don't know enough to go into more detail.
Again, I don’t know enough about the history of tank development for this nation to know what’s fake and what’s just hard to source.
This nation is quite accurate, but the heavies differ pretty noticeably from their historical configurations.
Emil I, Emil II, and
Kranvagn – Wrong armor and mobility
The EMIL, or Kranvagn project, considered many different versions, each with differing armor layouts and armaments. These three vehicles are various designs from the project, but there are differing levels of accuracy in their representation in-game. I’ll let
Three of the four problem vehicles are tier 10s.
Super Conqueror – Fictional combination of two real projects
This is a combination of two different upgrades to the Conqueror: an improved turret, and an up-armored hull. The turret was intended for production vehicles, but never left the design phase. The hull, however, was just used on a firing range target to test new types of ammunition and was never considered for any sort of production. Also, the turret ring is way too strong.
Caernarvon AX – Fictional combination of two real vehicles
The Caernarvon was real, as was the Action X turret, but the two were never combined.
Conqueror GC – Fictional
The FV200 series heavy SPG was the FV207. The only historical part of this vehicle is the gun, the BL 9.2-inch howitzer, which was never considered for mounting on an SPG.
FV215b – Fictional combination of two real vehicles
The hull and turret both existed but were never paired together.
America in general has a lot of good lines, but there are some serious issues with the higher-tier TDs.
T25/2 – Fictional combination of two real vehicles
The T25 hull was real, and the M36 Jackson turret was real, but the two were never combined.
T28 Prototype – Fictional
This one is a bit tricky. Quite a few designs were considered for the T28 project (later the T95). Supposedly, this is inspired by a
historical design for a turreted variant, but this image seems to be from a magazine and is probably no more historical than WG’s own concoction. I’m not 100% sure that image is nonhistorical, but I am certain that WG’s design is.
T110E4 – Fictional
A fictional design from the T110 series. There is only one vehicle that was turreted, and that’s already in-game as the T110E5. Additionally, 155mm armaments were never considered, and I don’t think this gun mantlet is based on any T110 design; instead, it’s based on the T30’s gun mantlet.
T25 AT – Fictional
This is inspired by a nameless
version of the T23, which has a front-mounted, partially traversable turret. A more accurate name would be “T23 AT”, but more importantly, this wasn’t a fixed-casemate vehicle.
T28 – Not fictional
This used to have a fictional visual model, inspired by (but not the same as) the T95 with the tracks removed. When it was converted to HD, it was changed, and if I recall correctly, the Chieftain said it was based on an actual prototype design this time around. So no, this tank is no longer fake.
T110E3 – Misnamed… Not!
I had to take this opportunity to dispel a myth that even I have fallen for. Sometimes you’ll hear it said that “the T110E3 was actually called the E4”, but that’s not true. None of the T110 vehicles were named – they’re all referred to as “second proposal” or “fifth proposal”. This particular one is the fifth proposal. Given that the sixth proposal is named the E5, it would indeed be logical to name this one the E4, but both designations are made up anyways. I really couldn’t say why WG named the vehicles the way they did – maybe they thought E4 should denote the turreted TD, because it’s an intermediate design between the casemate TD and turreted heavy?
None of these are completely, surprisingly enough. There are a few issues – the LTTB turret is made up, and many of the vehicles in the Object 268 v4 line have way too much armor. I am very wary of the T-44 ltwt, which is in the game files but hasn’t been added to the game. However, the tier 8 premium LT we got instead of the T-44 ltwt isn't much better.
LT-432 – Wrong visual model, many fictional aspects
Although Wargaming suggests that this is based on the Object 432, the visual model is clearly based on the Object 775, which historically wielded a 125mm rocket launcher. This equips a completely different gun, is lighter, and has more armor.
I don't proclaim to be an expert – all I'm good at is using Google. If I've made any errors, please let me know! Link a source if you can.
Edit: added two more vehicles to the list.
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